Bush comments on Jena and proves that 59,054,087 people ARE that dumb…Posted on September 20, 2007 by Jim Booth    

I usually don’t write long posts, but this is a comment thread from Scholars and Rogues that highlights the difference in the way men and women are treated when posting the same racist or inflammatory remarks, and how convoluted, subtle and insidious some ‘socially superior and elite’ folks go to publicly masturbate their own hatred for humanity as an insulting icing of smegma over any incident of dehumanization. You can read the whole story and the thread on the link above. I have placed the thread here with my comments in italics.   

thenewg, on September 22nd, 2007 at 4:03 pm Said: I’m going to look at the Elaine/Sam mini debate and make a comment. Hell, I might even post on it.   

thenewg, on September 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pm Said: First analysis of the first few comments that led up the appearance of ‘elaine’:   

First this:   jerry, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:20 am Said:when did it become racist to arrest thugs for assault by 6 on one .   

Then this:   DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:48 am Said:And Jerry, you’re not alone buddy.    “…More importantly, whites are increasingly victims of black racial violence and hate crimes.”   Well, you know what they say, “birds of a feather” or something like that.   

Then ‘elaine’ appears with her comment:   elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm Said:Oh for goodness sakes - a comment about 6 on 1 is perfectly fair. To ascribe a racist ideology to such a comment and then linking up with a known racist crackpot is a low shot and stupid to boot.   

From what I can tell, ‘jerry’ and ‘elaine’ may be doppelgangers. I notice that ‘jerry’ never makes another comment, but it’s picked up right away by ‘elaine’ and she runs with it like a political agenda, being very pedantic, elaborating how one ‘benign’ a comment about 6 on 1 cannot be construed as being associated with David Duke, much less being racist at all, although it occurred during an incident that is comparably the ‘Tiananmen Square’ of the United States.   

>>>>Jim has covered this pretty well,   This reminds me of the way my girlfriend used to talk to me, or the catholic nun in school. You begin with some kind of praise, and then proceed to literally ream the offender a new asshole (my girlfriend figuratively, the nun literally, a la the blues brothers) but I can’t see her elaborating on how Jim covered it well. Perhaps he did so because he used the English language, or managed to stay away from Ebonics.    

>>As soon as base thuggery is advocated in response to a racist environment then ALL BETS would be off whereever the races met if you were so inclined.   

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does ‘base thuggery’ beget racism, or the other way around? Sounds like a simple explanation that works the same way that when Hitler send his brown shirts to ‘cleanse’ the city of Jews without any oversight to how those Jews would be treated, then the krystalnacht was not that far behind.    

>>If you are a white liberal, a white Prof or white anything if someone was coming at you from a racist perspective then they would not give a moment’s thought to your character, politics or intelligence. It would be hey he’s white - they’re racist round here - go get him!   

I get the feeling Elaine is a feminist (no offence to the feminists who do not take elaine’s point of view).   

>>DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pm Said:Take a look at all the other things in the whole story, not just one part of it. Before the fight, one of the white kids had a gun taken away from him in another instance. The nooses and the characters including the DA have made this story what it is, and that’s where the racism comes in, as well as it being in the Old South.   

You know, six on one, whether its black on white, white on black, or in the brothel down the street in and of itself is not racist. But then again, whose counting nooses here? Not elaine I guess.   

>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm Said:Excuse me no one was discussing sentencing or what the punishment. A comment was made about 6 on 1.   

Translation: and that is the emotional/intellectual nexus upon which my pedantic dialogue rests, until I do start to consider punishment or sentencing, if I ever do. Watch when that happens! As one of the magicians used to say in the movie ‘The Prestige’: “Are you watching closely?”   

>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm Said:You were being insulting…   …

For thinking dammit. Just stop thinking!!   

>>DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 2:03 pm Said: (among other rational things)As I said before, there’s more backstory to this than just one fight.  

Trying to be rational with a woman DomPierre? (Of course, this is pure supposition. The user name ‘elaine’ implies femininity, although the little ‘e’ may be nothing more than an indication of a relationship with e.e. cummings.) I got nervous here myself however, since any attempt since man evolved to be logical or rational with anything feminine (be it a woman or a female single cell) is no f**king man’s land, which I personally have abandoned long ago.    

But then again friends, my male friends especially, we all know where DomPierre screwed up, it was his bomb that…   

>>>…you probably shouldn’t be so thin skinned either.   

There is no hate like a woman’s…   

elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:05 pm Said:I’m not particularly thin skinned but…   

>>> (You just f**ked with the WRONG VAGINA OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB MISTER!!!!)   

…Duke The Racist. It is that type of attitude that p*sses off fair minded individuals.   

Equation: (e^p*sses=Angry) or Elaine=fair minded individual, exponentially pissed off.   

>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:05 pm Said:…and if I was going to teach someone a lesson it would always be one on one.    

Those ARE fighting words elaine. Just so ya know.     

>>>Fight fair. If you do not then don’t be surprised when gangs of the far right start to gain currency in the mainstream of life.   

Ahhh. methinks me little mind is broadening by the ‘our as me sit at the feet of the lady o’ the lesbians. Six on one then is not fair of course, but even given the circumstances, it should not be contrued as racist. I STAND corrected.   

>>>Victimhood is not the preserve of one race only into infinity.   

This statement skirts the limits of Ebonics, but makes no immediate or obvious sense until it is contrasted with the previous statement:   

>>>…and I am sure the Oprahs, Obamas, Powells and Rices of this world have lost count of the number of times they have been accused of being white or having betrayed their African American brethren because they are getting on very nicely…   

Ah yes, the blacks in Jena are merely playing the victim again, aren’t they me lady? But who can argue when the shadow mirrors the substance so closely? Are individual’s rights being abused, or is it merely life imitating art imitating life imitating elaine’s clear perspective on life in general? Why complain about food when you have someone who looks like you (black) to look up to? And obviously, THEY aren’t complaining about their stock in life, now are they?  

>>>Sam Smith, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:35 pm Said: (Something rational, that doomed him in the same manner as it did DomPierre) …Fairness is wonderful thing to believe in, but I’m not willing to suffer or to see those I care about suffer because I’m too high-minded to do what it takes to solve a problem.   

Ohhhhhhhhhh Shit. Sam just implied and/or likened (by accident or design) elaine’s perspctive and pedantic manner that arose from the comment of 6 on 1 as being, ‘high minded’. As a physics major, I spent my last internship building a device that will help not only DomPierrre and Sam Smith, but all men. I call it ‘The Estrogenometer’ and it automatically translates a woman’s perspective into man-view, so he can see exactly what she is saying or hearing.    

I shall demonstrate thusly: I take Sam’s statement of ‘high mindedness’ and insert it into the ‘Estrogenometer’ (Which by the way can be purchased in four easy payments of $399.95) and lo and behold, out comes the translation:   

elaine: how dare you suggest that my logic, the pinnacle that man has ever achieved is nothing more than high mindedness, suggesting before this clod of morons that I, elaine, can possibly be out of touch with reality in any way shape or form? This means war mister!   

>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said:Sam:   This was a school…not a war zone. One sure way to perpetuate generations of conflict like this is to support/excuse thuggery by teenagers who choose to act in a violent manner and seek safety by going out in numbers.   

Well cut my foot off and call me Kunta Kinte!!! So that’s what slavery was: thuggery!!! Racism was not perpetuated by white supremacists, who wanted a perfect race, god playing individuals who sought to dehumanize human beings through rape, torture and murder; it was merely thuggery!!! Why in God’s name was this not nipped in the bud immediately?   

>>>Everyone in the whole world knows the story of Africa, slavery, segregation, racist behaviour (on BOTH sides). Individuals should NEVER be forgotten in the story.   

And with the Jena 6 incident, they know even more.   

>>>Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.    

See Sam, I told you this was coming, you woman beater you!!! Where are your manners!!?? I am now stripping you of your title as ’scrogue’!   

>>>>There is no question mark over there being a black and white issue in this particular school.    

????/Black-White issue   

>>>>But you will never get me to agree with the principle of going out to hunt down a whitey in revenge.    

How about hunting down a blackey in revenge?   

>>>Because if you do then as I see it whatever semblance of civilization a country has is gone…and that is when I will believe that the USA is no longer the country that many of us still see as some sort of leading light.   

With elaine leading of course   

>>>You are then left with groups/gangs where the strongest will survive with no recourse to law or right and wrong. Then you will have a real war.   

Is it just me, or is this how racism always starts, with gangs and thuggery to begin with? Or am I just not seeing it?   

>>>>DomPIerre, on September 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm Said:Elaine,    You’re getting me all hot and bothered with your prosecution of your side of the point.    

And not in any way that, at least, makes a satisfying conversation, aye Dom?   

>>>Jim Booth, on September 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pm Said:I taught high school for several years before I became a college professor.    

(Sigh) if it was only relevant here. (For explanation, simply insert into the Estrogenometer)    

>>>>DomPIerre, on September 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm Said:Elaine,    You’re getting me all hot and bothered with your prosecution of your side of the point. 

   

followed by…

>>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:DP:   I would not wish to give you cause to become hot and bothered…   

Sitcoms on FOX TV aren’t as good as this. I won’t type what I’m thinking, but I hope I still have friendships after this…    

>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:DP:I would not wish to give you cause to become hot and bothered…but if you only wish to take me out to dinner as a result and not do dastardly things then I guess I’m safe.    

Because Dom, the way you’re talking, it sounds like anything could happen. But I’m not one to stand in the way of a blossoming relationship. For goodness sake elaine, his name is Dom Pierre; do you think that there may be some pleasure somewhere in that?   

>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:DP:Vigilante mentality should be properly addressed whenever or wherever it raises its head.   

(Like on this blog perhaps?)   

>>>>Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework   

Of racism…   

>>>>If the locals feed into a local system that is “seen” (and perception counts for so much does it not) to be acting in an unfair manner towards blacks then by all means march about it.    

Yes, “seen” makes sense of course? Don’t want to overtly draw conclusions that RACISM of all things might exist; after all,   

>>>There were sepapate wrongs and each should be dealt with properly - justification for vigilantism is not acceptable in First World Countries.   

Empasis on, Firstly: First; Second: World; Third: Country: Like? USA   

>>>>It does not mean thuggish behaviour (and that is exactly what this was) is to be recommended as a way of solving disputes. What lesson do you want to send out to people? That in life when bad things happen to someone else you are able to legally go out and find anyone who “looks” like the enemy and assault him/her? None of us would rest easy in our beds…   

So, to commence: in order to rest easy in your beds, you simple minded bunch of narcissistic, estrogen-less, prone to violence, conclusion jumping pro thuggery male blog-posters, simply say your prayers at night, and eat your vegetables. And while you are going to bed, let your minds be filled with this thought”   

>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said:>>>Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.   

In fact, why not ask your own wives, who obviously must live in fear of you?   

>>>>Ideals, Laws and doing the right thing only work when everyone (or rather the majority) buys into the philosophy.   

My goodness. I SO misunderstood the KKK who left the burning cross in front of my yard. Why didn’t they buy into the idea that I was a human being? Or was it being black that they weren’t buying into? Maybe I should have bought into that swimming pool of Clorox bleach that so called door to door KKK salesman was trying to sell me the other day. In fact, I think he might get better sales than my Estrogenometer.   

>>>If you start making exemptions then you begin to slide down a slippery slope….   

Of reality perhaps?   

>>>P.S. Thinking is not illegal but maybe commenting is…   

Self explanatory(?)   

>>>>Sam Smith, on September 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 am Said:Elaine: Okay, maybe I need to better understand exactly what your argument is.    

No my dear brother Sam, you’re just not getting it. What you really need, as I and all other men do as well, is to be beaten across the head with a tholus dipped in the perpetual Effervescent pool of estrogenic intelligence. Only then will you have the capacity to fully appreciate that there is not argument here, at least not one that leads to any real coherent conclusion based in anything remotely resembling reality. It is nothing more than a Siren song leading one down the garden path toward the sharp crags of a pointless philosophy based in the n’th dimension.   I won’t even try to contrast the paternal instinct of paternal protection with the maternal one.   

>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 am Said:So Justin Barker, the victim, is now a terrorist ?    

I think she inferred this from your previous comment Sam, of:   

>>>Sam Smith, on September 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 am Said:If they’re burning a cross in your yard and tossing a noose over a low limb, do you wait until they kick in the door or do you go grab the gun NOW?   

>>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 am Said: …Meanwhile decorate those fine soldiers who are standing up so proudly with their fists.    

I think she means the black panthers. What the hell do they want? A boxing glove or a baseball mitt? Who the hell do they think they are, aye me lady?

>>>Do you seriously think the majority of citizens would feel safe and support such a stupid non-system of government and accountability?   

My God! It would be like having the KKK running around terrorizing people, now wouldn’t it? I read in EINSTEIN ON RACE AND RACISM (By Fred Jerome and Rodger Taylor) that the KKK was not under FBI or CIA surveillance until 1965. Could the KKK possible have been a “stupid non-system of government and accountability?”   

>>>Violence is not the best answer and if you ever want to educate people out of it you have to draw a line somewhere and make a stand. I have yet to read sensible reporting stating that no punishment should have been brought in the Jena 6 case. Are you saying they should not have been punished at all?   

Like the KKK haven’t on so many occasions? Why I wouldn’t let those pickaninny’s go free if….   

>>>>Some people write with sweeping strokes about black and white violence and initimidation. By doing so one always run the risk in a vigilante atmosphere of treating the innocent in the same way as INDIVIDUALS who commit violent acts.    

The first statement in no way confirms the second. Where by the way did the vigilante atmosphere come from? The KKK? Jesus? Dimpled f**king chads? Postal Service Workers? Also, ‘the innocent’ is synonymous with individuals; but of course, the way the statement is couched, it is up to the commenter to reserve just who is innocent, and probably who is an individual.   

>>>>When people walk in fear then everyone starts joining gangs. Hardly a recipe for promoting integration and understanding.    

And when one group is smaller than the larger group, then those gangs terrorize individuals in the smaller group, such as they do in the black community. If the black community were not in the minority, then the gangs would have been big enough to cause a civil war, like the real one, or the revolt in Haiti. When I say smaller group in a larger one it is kind of like this…   

>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:DP: Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework.   

With emphasis on the place being made up of people, human beings, Homo sapiens and, yes, even estrogen AND testosterone.   

>>>>The whole point about civilization is to learn how to be civilized. You learn that in the home and in school. Considering the violence that is prevalent in schools I doubt many figures of authority will be applauding yet more violence and advocating that using your fists (the street response) is how you get on in life.    

The street response eh? Or could it be the ‘black people pissed because my family got raped and the KKK left a burning cross in my yard as a thoughtful hallmark thank you gift’ response? Jesus tap dancing muthaf**king Christ!!!   

>>>>Got to get my grievance in first better go in tooled up is always an option but the more people who use it, the less likely you are to have a country that views neighbours with trust, respect and humanity.   

Kinda like Jena is exemplifying… You violent, testosterone filled warmongering twits!!! (Myself included of course)   

>>>>…of course I can see WHY they beat up a white guy.    

OH, SO NOW YOU TELL US!!!   

>>>Just the same as I know why white guys have beat up a random black guy. Neither is right. Both can and do happen.   

Totally random, just like the Sun rising, or the rain falling. Or a cow shitting a nice, mother Teresa resembling cow patty in an unmonitored field, which begs the question; if a cow does indeed lay a holy cow chip in a field, is it paid homage? Then again, testosterone must NOT be ruled out or the equation whenever men are invloved, cow patty or no.

>>>Good governance does not condone it though    

Unless you’re black and the KKK is out to get you…   

>>>now…or ever.   

…So stop this boyish, violent prone manner of thinking and eat your vegetables, say your prayers, and go to bed. And by they way, if there is nothing else that you take away from me ‘elaine’, take this; while in bed, let your small male minds, if they are big enough to hold the concept, be filled with these two thoughts:   

>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm Said: If you are a white liberal, a white Prof or white anything if someone was coming at you from a racist perspective then they would not give a moment’s thought to your character, politics or intelligence. It would be hey he’s white - they’re racist round here - go get him!   

Which would happen because this is the way non racist blacks think about whites, while whites, who obviously in the example are never racist, just victims of someone else’s twisted thinking. And…   

>>> elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said: Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.   

Which was my estrogenic point to this mindless diatribe the whole doggone time!!!!